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Can Hypoxi training spot reduce fat?

Friday, March 2, 2012 11:16 AM

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If you do not wish to receive any further messages from this group please click here to unsubscribe. If you are having trouble viewing this email, please click here ** FROM THE DESK OF JONATHAN PYE ** How does Hypoxi Training burn stubborn fat areas? Dear Mircea, Unlikely though it seems, Hypoxi training appears to offer that holy grail: removing stubborn fatty deposits around the buttocks, thighs, belly and other areas. But does it really work – and if so, how well? On behalf of our members, the Peak Performance editors decided to investigate. Our first step was to search the world medical research centres for verifiable, independent test results. The results of our report, now available, will interest all readers. Are there any scientific studies into Hypoxi training? Very little serious research on Hypoxi training has appeared in general media in either the USA or Europe. Most of the endorsements we have seen are from beautiful show-business folk, and those are always difficult to substantiate. But amid all the hype, there is the possibility those attractive people may indeed have discovered something! So, the question is this: Is the idea of the perfect body image possible using Hypoxi training? If it is, then how come we haven't all heard about it? The reason for the lack of serious studies is that most research has only appeared in foreign language journals – and that is where Peak Performance can help. We commissioned one of our star writers - Rosemary Marchese - to look into Hypoxi training and let us know if it really works; and if so, how well? It is claimed that Hypoxi training can: Eliminate stubborn fat deposits in abdominal, hip, legs and gluteal regions Tone the skin Reduce the appearance of cellulite Improve circulation The Peak Performance report focuses specifically on the validity of the fat loss claims being made by Hypoxi training worldwide. Finding supporting research from an English-based country proved difficult. Much of the independent research has been conducted in languages other than English, and preliminary studies are not available in peer-reviewed journals. However translations are slowly sifting through and the results are astounding. Click here to order a pre-publication copy of the Hypoxi training report How well does Hypoxi training work? In a nutshell, these are the important questions the Peak Performance report answers: Is Hypoxi training for men or women? Hypoxi fat-reduction training is for both men and women. For men, stubborn fat mostly sits around the midriff and belly. For women, it’s the backside and thighs. The Hypoxi training method attacks all these areas. How does Hypoxi training help athletes? For many athletes, no matter how long and hard they train, stubborn fat deposits remain and can interfere with performances. Focusing on, and improving key problem areas is important in maximising performances. Why doesn't general exercise get rid of ALL fatty deposits? It has long been recognised that although regular training delivers fitness and usually reduces fat overall, it often fails to eliminate accumulated fatty areas we personally wish to target. Our report looks at why this is, and if the problem can be resolved. What studies have taken place? Dr Sauer, a specialist in Nutritional and Orthomolecular Medicine, reported on the effects of Hypoxi Training in March 2004. She has an impressive medical background and her extensive practical experience supports Hypoxi training as an effective fat burning method, particularly for spot reduction of fat in stubborn areas. There have been other independent tests, and these are described below. Does Hypoxi training lose fat, not muscle? Available studies are authenticated by the use of DEXA (Dual-energy X-Ray Absorptiometry) and MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging) methods to verify that the weight loss from Hypoxi training can be mostly attributed to fat loss. How does Hypoxi training actually work? Hypoxi training involves low-intensity aerobic training whilst simultaneously exposing stubborn body fat to alternating high and low pressure, delivered through a series of compression and extraction pumps - a kind of ‘push, pull effect’. This is the foundation of the Hypoxi training method. This continual drawing in and pushing away of blood to specific body parts is showing to be effective in the localised burning of fat from previously stubborn body areas. Click here to order a pre-publication copy of the Hypoxi training report The Hypoxi training method works on selected areas It is well known that during aerobic training, the muscles derive their fatty acid fuel from the skin layers, which can more quickly provide the fat. This is how overall fat is lost with general training. Hypoxi training uses alternating high and low pressure on body parts to move blood to and from specific areas. This encourages the mobilisation of fatty acids as a fuel source for energy from the areas you select (rather than from just anywhere). Hypoxi training can either be done by wearing a garment with pressurised chambers, or by exercising on a machine enclosed in an airtight chamber. Hypoxi uses the heart rate formula and a heart rate monitor to ensure you exercise at low intensities to keep them in optimum fat burning ranges. Spot fat reduction for women and men Our Hypoxi report explains about the different Hypoxi trainers, how they work and what they achieve. Here are further extracts from the report: Spot fat reduction for women: A 2007 study designed to test the effectiveness of Hypoxi in the reduction of body fat mass in the 'female problem areas' found Hypoxi training is effective when controlled nutritional guidelines are implemented. This study compared the effects of Hypoxi training combined with a nutritional program with other methods over 12 weeks. The main results were: Hypoxi training combined with a nutritional program had a more significant impact on weight loss compared to other treatment methods, including a diet only strategy The weight loss achieved by the Hypoxi training group was shown to be related to a decrease in total body fat mass, significantly greater than other methods Hypoxi training was effective at specifically reducing waist, stomach and hip sizes Hypoxi training was most effect at reducing cellulite and skin appearance A 2010 study from Hamburg University compared the effect of Hypoxi training with traditional exercise only. They recruited 20 overweight or obese women, divided into two groups: The first group performed a four-week exercise program on a conventional bicycle ergometer. The second group performed the same amount of exercise using the S120 machine from Hypoxi. Both groups exercised within an aerobic state for 30 minutes three times per week. The results of this study were: The Hypoxi training group showed significantly greater results with an average reduction in the circumference in the female 'problem areas', i.e. hips, gluteals and proximal thighs of 13.1 cm compared to 4.8 cm. The reduction in the circumference of all the body parts measured in the study was significantly greater for the Hypoxi group with a total reduction of the circumference at 19.9 cm compared to 8.3 cm. Click here to order a pre-publication copy of the Hypoxi training report Spot fat reduction for men: the study also recruited 16 overweight men and divided them into two groups comparing traditional treadmill training with Hypoxi training. The Hypoxi training group used the Vacunaut, a neoprene suit specifically designed to alternate pressure in the areas of the abdomen and hips. The results of this study for the men were: The reduction in circumference was significantly greater in the Hypoxi training group compared to the control group The circumference decrease of waist, abdomen and hips showed significantly greater results for the Hypoxi group with a 13.3cm reduction average compared to a 4.4cm average reduction in the control group. Click here to order a pre-publication copy of the Hypoxi training report Conclusion: targeted reduction in body fat The authors of this study concluded that Hypoxi is a superior training method for reduction in body fat in target areas, compared to traditional methods of training. It is apparent from the evidence available that Hypoxi has the potential to be effective for the reduction of stubborn body fat of which so many athletes and general fitness clients complain. Hypoxi training may be here in the fitness industry to stay, and is fast becoming recognised as a potential adjunct to the professional training programs amongst athletes and sports people. Free pre-publication Hypoxi report available now Order the Peak Performance newsletter on free trial and we’ll send you a pre-publication copy of the Hypoxi report by return. The Hypoxi report is just one example of the advanced-notice information contained in the Peak Performance newsletter – and it gives our members a unique advantage over ‘ordinary’ athletes and sports people. (Your trial costs a nominal USD $1.97). We don’t indulge in ‘creative journalism’. Our performance-boosting reports have been monitored, validated and documented by internationally respected research bodies and universities. If it works, we bring it to your attention. In a nutshell, the more you use our specific training methods, the greater the impact on your performances and fitness. 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From: scanave <swimromania@gmail.com>

Date: 2009/12/24

Subject: articol ds. tehnica corecta la inot ..

To: Inot <inot@googlegroups.com>

M.O. la 75 de ani ....

I. eu afirm ca cel care inoata tinzand a avea ' viteza cea mai mare folosind un numar cat mai mic de miscari ' va reusi aceasta rezolvare eficienta numai printr-o tehnica de inot ultra-corecta.

II. fiecare dintre noi, in fata apei, avem un mod diferit de a pluti, de a inainta..., putem admite deci ca fiecare dintre noi are un indice personal de alunecare; el poate fi analizat in detaliu si astfel

lucrurile se complica... pentru acest motiv propun cea mai succinta lista de indicatori care sunt 99,999% prezenti la toata lumea:

lungimea maxima a corpului, grutatea sa si marimea sectiunii transversale (care s-ar opune inaintarii..)

III. Cu viteza exprimata in Numar de secunde + tempoul exprimat cu Numarul de vasliri pot calcula (chiar mental, pe loc..) eficienta biomecanica a unei evolutii oarecare in apa....(sub acronimum BEST se afla calculul aritmetic al 'Eficientei Biomecanice'...adica 'The

Biomechanical Efficiency Swimming Test'...)

IV. Cu Lungimea, Greutatea si Diametrul toracal poate calcula Indicele

Personal de Alunecare (IPA). Cu acesta pot organiza serii de concurs,

intreceri perfect EGALE (deci faire-play)iar cu valoarea eficientei

biomecanice pot organiza intreceri de inot acecsibile oricaruia dintre

noi

V. Noua maniera de a gandi evolutiile in apa face , poate face  -

parte dintr-un sistem de concurs paralel celui clasic; practicandu-l

in mod organizat permite celui care inoata sa devina perfect constient

de evolutia sa in apa, in compania unor adversari egali... iar pentru

ca acest fel de a concura se preteaza mai ales la probele scurte, de

50 m (variante) inot, intrecerea  poate fi acecsibila mult mai multor

simpatizanti .. care nu toti pot deveni campioni olimpici dar toti pot

atinge perfectiunea de miscare in apa.. ce parere aveti ?

Iata niste definitii mai amplu exprimate pe acest subiect:

Definiţii BEST          BEST Definition          BEST - Definitionen

!/. *tehnica corecta inseamna eficienta de miscare in apa… “testarea

eficientei biomecanice la inot”(best) se calculeaza astfel: adun

‘timpul’(‘t’) cu ‘vaslirile’(‘v’) suma  lor o  scad dintr-o valoare

constanta (‘k’)(aleasa aleator = ‘100’) + indicele personal de

alunecare (ipa). adica - { 100+ipa } – { timp + vasliri } = ......

p.best

M. Olaru, Nov. 99

O alta varianta...

!/. *Testarea eficientei biomecanice la inot , în engleză - The

Biomechanical Efficiency Swimming Test ( B.E.S.T.) are  următoarea

formulă  = [‘100 + ‘IPA’] – [‘T’ + ‘M’] =  .....pct. Constanta ‘100’, este aleasa

aleator, egală pt. toţi concurenţii – ea ajută la echilibrarea

calculului; IPA devine o constantă periodică, calculată anual – ea

oferă caracteristica individuală a unui corp de înotător aflat în

apă ...

Tehnica corecta inseamna eficienta de miscare in apa verificabilă prin

“testarea eficientei biomecanice la inot”(best) - se calculeaza

astfel: adun ‘timpul’(‘T’) cu ‘vaslirile’(‘V’) suma  lor o  scad

dintr-o altă sumă dată de adunarea valoarii constante (‘k’,aleasa aleator si

este egala cu  ‘100’ puncte) + indicele personal de alunecare (IPA)(ce

se calculeaza periodic, anual) - adica –  { 100+IPA } – { Timp +

Vâsliri } = ......punctaj BEST

The corect swim-technique means the efficiency of the movements in the

water; it can be calculated by this way: add the number of the seconds

and the number of the stroke-cicles and this sume will be extracted

from the other constant sume provided from adition of the one constant

value (K) (100) plus the Index of the personal Gliding (IPG)

M. Olaru, Nov. 99

!/. *Die korrekte Technik setzt eine effiziente Fortbewegung im Wasser

voraus...”Testen der biomechanischen Effizienz beim Schwimmen” (best)

Diese wird wie folgt berechnet: wir addieren die zwei Werte (Zeit und

Züge); die Summe wird aus einer Konstante „k” abgezogen ( „k” wird per

Zufall ausgewählt = „100”) + persönlicher Gleitindex (pgi). D.h. –

{ 100+pgi } – { Zeit + Züge } =....... p.best

M. Olaru, Nov. 99

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Testarea eficientei biomecanice la inot The Biomechanical Efficiency

Swimming Test ( B.E.S.T.)  formula BEST = (‘100 + ‘IPA’) – ( ‘T’ +

‘M’ )= pct. Constanta ‘100’, este aleasa aleator, pt ca ajuta la

echilibrarea calculului

M. Olaru, Nov. 99

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Das Testen der biomechanischen Effizienz beim Schwimmen, The

Biomechanical Efficiency Test (B.E.S.T.), die Formel BEST = (’100 +

PGI’) – (’T’ + ’M’) = Pkt. Die Konstante „100” wird per Zufall

ausgewählt. Sie ist für die Berechnung notwendig.

M. Olaru, Nov. 99

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2/obiectivitatea conceptului si a formulei ‘b.e.s.t.’ rezida  din

urmatoarea  logica: ‘adun doua marimi, (timpul / ’t’ + vaslirile /

’v’) care au sens descrescator, - dupa care, le scad din constanta

{‘100’ + ‘ipa’} si obtin (facil + repede / mental way ...) valoarea

prestatiei  in  apa’

m.olaru/nov.99

2/. the objectivity of the ‘best formula’ results from this new

exercise of logic: ‘we add two value (time+stroke), this values have

their sense descendent (!)…, and, after we substrate this sum from one

constant value (accidentally (k) = 100 + ipg points)’.

in this mod we can obtain (very easy, by mental way) the supreme value

of the swimming efficiency.

m. olaru / 2005

2/ Die Objektivität des Konzeptes und der Formel „b.e.s.t.” baut auf

die folgende Logik auf: „ wir addieren zwei Gröβen, (Zeit + Züge), die

einen absteigenden Sinn verzeichnen. Diese werden nachher von der

Konstante { „100” + „pgi”} abgezogen. Das Ergebnis (einfach +

schnell / mental way...) stellt den Wert der Leistung im Wasser

dar .

m.olaru/nov.99

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3/“indicele personal de alunecare” (i.p.a. / este ca un  kard-annual)

‘L.’ + (k) – (kgr. + q) ‘L.’ = lungimea maxima a corpului / pluta

‚(k)’= o constantă cu valoare 100 puncte ‘gr.’ = greutatea in

kilograme / + ‘q.’ = diametrul/cm. subaxilar in expiratie profunda

the“index of personal gliding “  (i.p.g.)

m.olaru/nov. 99

3/. the index personal of gliding (ipg) is lake a ‘credit card’ (the

validity is minimum one year): with this ipg we can organize the

series of the race in perfect ‘faire-play’ (indifferent of the sex or

age) the competitors with same or appropriate values will be introduce

in the same series …

the periodical calcul of this ipg formula is found with regarding to

the hydrodynamics principle (reynolds+froude),

so: ‘’from the value of the maximum longer of the body (ventral float

position)(L.) / in additions with another accidentally value constant

(k=100), we will substrate the sum of the nr. of kgr. (weight) with

the q. (nr. of cm. of the circumference of the upper thorax in deep

expiration). ‘L.’+(k) – ( ‘kgr.’ + ‘q.’)

3/ „Der persönliche Gleitindex” (p.g.i./ ist wie eine Kreditkarte, die

1 Jahr gültig ist (kard-annual)). „L” = die maximale Körperlänge /

ventral float position; „k” = eine Konstante mit dem Wert von 100

Punkten; „kgr” = das Gewicht in Kilogramm / + „q” = Durchmesser/cm des

oberen Brustkorbabschnittes bei tiefer Ausatmung

m.olaru/nov. 99

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4/aplicabilitatea ‘annual kard-(ului)’(ipg – index of personal

gliding ), indiferent de sex si chiar de varsta subiectilor…,este data

de faptul ca criteriile alese, pentru folosirea sa ca instrument de

departajare /organizare a intrecerilor de inot sportiv , sunt cele

induse in selectia naturala:

# cu cat un corp este mai lung  (l.), # cu cat un corp este mai usor,

(gr.) # cu cat un corp este mai ingust (q.) cu atat mai eficient

pluteste, aluneca sau inainteaza !

m.olaru/nov.99

4/ the valability of the index personal of gliding (ipg) results from

that – all criteria selected to make the series for the challenge was

selected from the normal natural selection: when the longer of the

body is big… when the weight of the body is light...when the frontal

section of the body is small … the float, the gliding and the swimming

speed will be more efficiency to advance better with one correct

technique !

4/ Die Gültigkeit des „kard-annual” (pgi – persönlicher Gleitindex),

unabhängig von Geschlecht oder Alter der Angewiesenen..., ist darauf

zurückzuführen: die Kriterien, die ausgewählt wurden, um zu bestimmen,

inwiefern die „annual kard” als Instrument zur Unterscheidung von

Leistungen oder Veranstaltung von Schwimm-Wettkämpfen verwendet werden

kann, gehen auf die natürliche Auswahl zurück:

je länger ein Körper ist (l.), je leichter ein Körper ist (kgr), je

schmaler ein Körper ist (q.), desto effizienter wird er schwimmen,

gleiten oder sich im Wasser fortbewegen.

m.olaru/nov.99

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