Freestyle Swimming - What is first and most important component of the stroke? I might not agree with you.
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Wayne OwideHead Swim Coach at Hertsmere FlyersIt's difficult to be so definitive about it but I would suggest that breathing stops many people from being able to swim FS to a really good standard. The knowledge that you simply have to rotate to breathe is hugely important and once your brain accepts that fact your body will flatten and you will be more streamlined and less panicky.Sue Pryor, Michael Roesch și încă 2 persoane apreciază aceasta.
We naturally want to pull our heads out of the water (it makes absolute sense) so not rotating leads to a large number of problems, pushing down with the arms, snatching at the catch, poor timing of breathing to name just a few. -
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Jason SauerHead Swim Coach at Metro Christian AcademyBill Boomer is one of the most interesting, misunderstood swimming professors in the last several decades. I discovered tapes of his clinic at usc in 96'. The clinic was from 92'. He has taken all 4 strokes and turned it into a college course of stroke efficiency. I have used his methodology to build many incredibly fast and more importantly athletes.Brian Stack, Dan Lynch și încă 1 persoană apreciază aceasta.
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Wendy DaltonOwner, Dalton Trainingstreamlined body position....Sue Pryor, Dan Lynch și încă 1 persoană apreciază aceasta. -
Dan LynchSwim Stroke Doctor, DirectorContribuitor de marcăJason, I would like to here more of the freestyle methodology that you have defined based on Boomer... I like your description of Bill. -
John DussliereHigh Performance Professional: Olympic SportsFloating being foundational, my belief is that symmetry and balance on all planes is critical.Sue Pryor, Dan Lynch și încă 1 persoană apreciază aceasta. -
Mark HesseSports Performance Consultant at USA SwimmingWell, body position and floating (balance) is the foundation everything is built off of. If you can't float then you aren't going to be able to move very easily or efficiently through the water and therefore you will be limited for how long (and far) you can swim.Barb Augustin, Dan Lynch și încă 1 persoană apreciază aceasta.
That being said the thing that usually has the most negative affect on balance and body position is breathing (and if you can't breathe you're not getting very far either) in my opinion the majority of stroke errors stem from poor breathing habits
So which comes first the chicken (body position) or the egg (breathing)
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Richard LightProfessor and head of school at University of CanterburyThere is some variation in trems but i am problu in areent with many in the discussion. For me body alignment (including head position) is foundational for all strokes because it is so influential on reducing resistance in all aspects of the stroke. Along with propulsion/thrust these are the twfundamental cpncrpts of swimming.Dan Lynch apreciază aceasta -
Linda PriceSwimtime UK Ltd at SwimtimeA third component which overrides body position and breathing is head/ neck position. (See Art of Swimming -Steven Shaw- Swimming using the Principles of The Alexander Technique-http://www.artofswimming.com/#!front-crawl-videos/c8g3 ) If there is tension in the neck the body will never be balanced and breathing is always impaired.Dan Lynch apreciază aceasta -
Wayne OwideHead Swim Coach at Hertsmere FlyersInteresting.Dan Lynch apreciază aceasta
I would suggest that all of these positional posts were fundamentally to do with breathing.
I get swimmers to swim on their sides with heir arms by their sides (normally with short fins) kicking only in a neutral position turning to breathe, trying to keep the upper facing arm out of the water all the way down to the wrist. Initially swimmers change sides by length and then after every breath. Swimmers shouldn't move their heads when they move their bodies nor their bodies when they move their heads, isolating the rotational element and ensuring (hopefully) they keep to a straight line.
Initially swimmers will often over rotate to breathe, I'm not too worried about that, the aim is to maintain a straight body with no twists or head lifting. They will slowly gain confidence and rotate less.
If a swimmer feels water moving up the arm then they have normally lifted their head. If they go off line they have either twisted, kicked from the knee or their head isn't in a neutral position.
I was asked what I do to practice breathing in FS and this is fundamentally it - although as has been pointed out with the posts, reducing swimming to one element is very difficult. Taking video underwater often helps the swimmers see exactly where they are introducing faults.
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Chadville PilgrimAquatic Director at Eastern AquaticBody position and streamlining. In addition in the early stages of development I venture that the swimmer's ability to remain still is important.Dan Lynch apreciază aceasta
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Daniel AveSwim Coach at Dubiln Community Recreation CenterI'm not looking before posting, #1 STRONG driving kick #2 Quick breaths
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Daniel AveSwim Coach at Dubiln Community Recreation Centeroh yeah balance too #1A because one must be balanced to have a STRONG driving kick
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anita murgatroydSWIMMING TEACHER at SALENDINE NOOK SWIMMING STROKE TECHNIQUE/HUDDERSFIELD CRUSADERS SCDan..you have made us think....well, I would say there are several components that go together to achieve a good frontcrawl stroke...all equally as important and necessary to work in unison to achieve a perfect stroke...balance (core strength) head position, long arm stroke to achieve a good breathing pattern, arm pull under the water making sure the arm does not pass the centre, making sure the body remains central and avoid snaking by over extension
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Jake ShellenbergerHead Swimming Coach at Liberty UniversityThe average and median height of female medal winners in the freestyle events in London was 5'11" ...... Men was 6'4" ....., Need to find talent. -
Daniel AveSwim Coach at Dubiln Community Recreation Centerjohn nice to hear Boomer's name brought up ..I learned much from him (only met him once) but he's like EF Hutton when he talks....
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Chris ChanceProgram Director, Head Swim CoachPosture. -
Bobbi HoughtonAquatic Director at UCSB and La Cumbre Country ClubAnalysis of corrections usually begin with body position and correcting that has a positive effect on the other conponents of the stroke. Breathing and timing layered on good body position allows for speed when coupled with endurance. -
Jason SauerHead Swim Coach at Metro Christian AcademyI agree Bobbi H
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Merv GrewarBoilerperson/handiperson - swimming instructor/Coach - Past Water Safety Officer for the region - Past Swim Pool ManagerThe use of the core of the body to achieve the maximum in both propulsion and body streamlining - the early drills of the TI system were great in explaining and achieving this but sadly Terry has gone now away from it to a certain extent - thankfully I still have his original vids based on Bill Boomers concepts.Mark Moody apreciază aceasta -
Merv GrewarBoilerperson/handiperson - swimming instructor/Coach - Past Water Safety Officer for the region - Past Swim Pool Manageroops I came in late in the day - got the short list of replies. See Bill Boomer has been mentioned many times and I was lucky to see him when he came to NZ many years back and had already been using the TI system both in teaching and coaching. It was like putting the other 2 to the 2 + 2 system. Just to add a little more from personal experience poolside. I have found that working really hard along with core body line that being adamant that my swimmers have a controlled 6 beat kick that they find it far easier to get their heads in position to breath easier - I am constantly working on this and currently doing just that using a metronome and getting a smoother rhythm in the kick and seeing vast improvement in core body/head turning for breathing, Sounds like many of you have already been using this but it doesnt hurt to mention it - it might just help someone who hasnt thought of itMark Moody apreciază aceasta
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lorna nyashahead coach> Lorna's swimming academyContribuitor de marcăthis all too informative! im loving it!swapan M. apreciază aceasta -
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Wendy Dalton, Owner, Dalton Training: "streamlined body position..." for hes simplicity. Have a nice day -
Janis BloomquistBusiness development, program development, education and trainingLong axis rotation & DPS...once the body line is elongated and there is rotation to sides with lead arm extended forward/ear pressed into lead shoulder for support; it's so much easier to relax and roll to breathe (think "rotisserie") without lifting head position ("one goggle eye in h20"). Takes care of body rotation, breathing, windmilling and body alignment.Dan Lynch apreciază aceasta -
Jason SauerHead Swim Coach at Metro Christian AcademyI like the discussion from everyone. I find myself looking daily. I think the original question was if you had to pick only one component, which would it be. As it goes, my question would be for each if the competitive strokes.Dan Lynch apreciază aceasta
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Michael Blakely-ArmitageRecreation Program Coordinator at Ithaca Youth BureauBody positioning that adds to lift when combined with the propulsion of the power phase and kick. In a vacuum, taking breathing out, You can swim the stroke with a snorkel and if you don't have the correct body position/symmetry of stroke you just won't be powerful or efficient.
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Merv GrewarBoilerperson/handiperson - swimming instructor/Coach - Past Water Safety Officer for the region - Past Swim Pool ManagerLove that Michael.....Agree whole hardheartedly with the snorkel concept - too many coaches push their kids to quickly looking to make names for themselves through their kids and rubbish things like snorkels and fins to achieve technique first and then strength/power to add to the technique - without that perfect technique or as near perfect as you can get all the power in the world will not achieve the maximum result - there is also the problem with pushy parents which, of course, is another subject.,
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Daniel AveSwim Coach at Dubiln Community Recreation Centerafter reading all these doctoral thesis I would like to add, KISS, personally if I use some of this speak with the very bright and engaged 10yo that practice with me.. they will become disengaged very quickly. So to answer the ? what is the most important element ....KISS They can't do what they do not understand
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Daniel AveSwim Coach at Dubiln Community Recreation Centerapparently Dan L does not agree with me.. but the premise was he might not
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Michael Blakely-ArmitageRecreation Program Coordinator at Ithaca Youth BureauDaniel A I couldn't agree more. Amongst coaches we can talk the scientific aspects but with the kids it needs to be applicable and understandable.Dan Lynch apreciază aceasta
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Merv GrewarBoilerperson/handiperson - swimming instructor/Coach - Past Water Safety Officer for the region - Past Swim Pool ManagerDaniel.....sorry dont agree. I have had a 11yr old this morning in the pool explaining the relevance of the kick to her breathing and even gave her an article to take home and read just to amplify what I have been explaining to her and I will bet she will come back to me tomorrow with pertinent questions - and she has dyslexia. Most of my current group age between 9 and 12 and they all understand what I am explaining to them regarding this current subject - maybe I have to repeat it several times to some but they all know about body rotation, 6 beat kick, reach and the like. It all depends on the presentation and the back-up. Kids sure aint dummies.Mark Moody apreciază aceasta
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Daniel AveSwim Coach at Dubiln Community Recreation Centernever said they were, I said keep it simple the stupid is a reference to the genius presenter I am a simple man. I'll just take my 35 + years experience and credentials and slip into the shadows with the dummies.Dan Lynch apreciază aceasta
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Dan LynchSwim Stroke Doctor, DirectorContribuitor de marcăDaniel, I agree, simple is the best for the young and old alike. It takes real focus to be able to help the students of swim.Mark Moody, swapan M. apreciază aceasta
I remember in 1972, I was a student teacher in our HS Learn to Swim program, I was assigned the challenging station1. Getting the kids from the deck into the water and ready for station 2. It was a great challenge.... but I really wanted to work in station 8, butterfly...
Swimming is a Life Sport, we are here for the kids.
Last week, this week, they all run together for me at this time... (I love the water.).. I had a 13yo, 8th grader tell me he wanted to make the hs team next year. He can swim, but not well and not straight. So we discussed some of his school efforts, we talked about a math test. So I suggested he become a like his favorite #2 pencil, and relax, and swim straight.
His results in two weeks are substantial, and he is enjoying the water. Will he be a champion swimmer? He is a champion in my eyes already, he as a passion for the swim.
Its all about the swim. Heading to -8 tonite here in Chicago. De reir a cheile a thogtar na caisleain....will see you again soon. -
Merv GrewarBoilerperson/handiperson - swimming instructor/Coach - Past Water Safety Officer for the region - Past Swim Pool ManagerHey Dan, you started when I did, maybe I was a little older. I was the same being put into a club learn-to-swim and proverbially, at the deep end. Luckily I had been a swimmer, not a very good one I must admit as I was actually a racing cyclist. And none of the others except the head coach who wasnt interested in teaching or not much else than his champion daughter (14). So we all floundered on. Some time later I found that teaching the kids how to walk properly down the pool ladder was a great intro to the water and I have done that ever since with little or no problem. Can tell you it is stinking hot down here in NZ and perfect swim weather especially in open air pools.....cheersDan Lynch apreciază aceasta
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John DussliereHigh Performance Professional: Olympic SportsThere is not enough velocity generated by a human for lift.
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John DussliereHigh Performance Professional: Olympic SportsRead: Firby on Swimming. Good luck locating a copy.Dan Lynch apreciază aceasta
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John DussliereHigh Performance Professional: Olympic SportsFind: Spaulding:Speedswimming. You'll need even better luck for this one.
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John DussliereHigh Performance Professional: Olympic SportsFind: Ralph Thomas on Swimming. You won't find this one.
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Tony PearceSeniors and Masters Swimming Coach at Barnes Swimming ClubIt is so important for a swimmer to find rhythm, in order to seamlessly integrate technique and mechanics.
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Tony PearceSeniors and Masters Swimming Coach at Barnes Swimming ClubIt's so important for a freestyle swimmer to have rhythm in order to be able to seamlessly integrate technique with mechanics.
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joseph ngugiswim coach,lifeguard,pool maintainance at riara group of schoolsigona golf club/impala health club/ymca aquatics/isk schbreathing goes with rotation,streamline and flotation,let them float then turn for breath and return to streamline,others now follow,ie kicking and pulling. -
Mark MoodyTechnical Marketing / Training at Bali Aquatic Safety ServicesI like a lot of what Merv states here....core body position/float/ breathing/propulsion... .Dan Lynch apreciază aceasta
Now I was originally assuming this question was dealing with swimmers who have already attained an established freestyle stroke & or competition level! If in early development stages I personally would place emphasis on body float position/breathing in developing relaxed swimming = I was going to say 'comfortability' in the water & technique! Younger swimmers; yes KIS....s (small stupid!) AND make it fun with drills that develop all of above... love making kids 'scull' in all sorts of body positions and encourage experimentation with increasing distance & or resistance + I also join them! I wish I had read TI many many years back as it was as if a light bulb went on in my head and in many ways I "feel" I am a better, more efficient swimmer now than I ever was....AND "feel" is very important....Every child can be so very different and as a coach/instructor/motivator we need to recognize this, providing support, challenge and positive reinforcement on a regular basis! I had an Olympic Coach who couldn't do any of this, thankfully those days are gone and I learned / swore I would never be like that with any of my swimmers! I enjoy reading all your comments - thanks for sharing as I am certain we can all still learn from each others successes & failures.....Water is my second home and in many ways I wish I had realized that; it would be like this for my whole life, a long long time ago....swim for life.....
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Gregg PariniHead Swimming Coach & Associate ProfessorBody position/alignment + ability to catch/hold water + ability to connect with hips. -
Dan LynchSwim Stroke Doctor, DirectorContribuitor de marcăCecil Colwin: Swimming Dynamics
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John DussliereHigh Performance Professional: Olympic SportsI'd like to see everyone get back to the "1" thing before this jumps the shark.Dan Lynch apreciază aceasta
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John DussliereHigh Performance Professional: Olympic SportsSymmetry.
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Jason SauerHead Swim Coach at Metro Christian Academyrhythm for short axis and prone x relationship on long
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Mark HesseSports Performance Consultant at USA SwimmingSo as Coach Dussiliere suggests if I have to pick only one thing it would be breathing - proper mechanics and air exchange
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